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Post by RManske2 on Jan 9, 2011 15:39:23 GMT -5
Yeah, it isn't the best market but my dilemma was holding onto him going into next year in the last year of his contract where people become even more hesitant to give up a lot. Then at that point I'm forced to probably let him walk and pay him a ton of cash that handcuffs the rest of the team so I'm not good enough to be a legitimate threat but not bad enough to get a good lotto pick.
I'm personally hesitant to go for lots of draft picks since when I've done that the picks ever seem to turn out well for me. At least this way I get two players that while they may not develop into stars but at least solid starters to build with.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 9, 2011 15:44:40 GMT -5
Ratings wise Okafor hasnt improved a lot, but stats wise he has. In his first year he was an option all year and not producing double digits in points. This year, he wasnt an option up until last sim when Rose was hurt and hes putting up a double double.
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Post by shawncro on Jan 9, 2011 15:46:23 GMT -5
Def a steal for the Knicks...It may not reap benefits this year, because they have no rebounding at all atm, but Tmac is still young enough so he can build around him and the other two stars.
Spurs? The market may be weak, but not to get one LEGITIMATE piece or a lotto pick is awful IMO. Okafor may become relevant down the road, but thats not certain. I would have easily offered Jrich/Knicks 1st plus other stuff for Tmac, and in my mind thats a better offer then this. Only downside is that Jrich is expiring, but still, better then this.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 9, 2011 15:50:55 GMT -5
Bynum-Okafor-Bibby thats a solid three to build from.
+ Lotto pick.
+ Cap space, this looks like it can be a nice FA.
Ive seen Rmanske pull of miracles before.
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Post by RManske2 on Jan 9, 2011 15:57:24 GMT -5
Def a steal for the Knicks...It may not reap benefits this year, because they have no rebounding at all atm, but Tmac is still young enough so he can build around him and the other two stars. Spurs? The market may be weak, but not to get one LEGITIMATE piece or a lotto pick is awful IMO. Okafor may become relevant down the road, but thats not certain. I would have easily offered Jrich/Knicks 1st plus other stuff for Tmac, and in my mind thats a better offer then this. Only downside is that Jrich is expiring, but still, better then this. Perhaps, but is it really? J-Rich is a nice player but let's say hypothetically he walks. Then I'm left with a lotto pick of some kind. Lotto picks are nice but if the draft file is not up I can look at names but no ratings. I guess I could just assume that they are going to have good ratings but how do I know that? At the end of this season I have one big contract in Bibby, Okafor and West with two more years on a rookie deal, Bynum with three years, a likely lotto draft pick rookie, and cap space in what could turn into a nice FA class. Whether or not this deal works won't be known for a while so let's see how it all plays out. |
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Post by jcarter17 on Jan 9, 2011 16:03:36 GMT -5
I agree with Shawn. I offered for TMac, but I knew I just don't possess the assets to appeal to a rebuilding team. As far as the deal, without camps, I don't really see either player getting much better than they are now, and they certainly won't be anywhere near TMac's level. That said, I think we have seen the market just is not that strong for star players, for whatever reason.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 9, 2011 16:19:13 GMT -5
Who are the buyers right now?
Most of the elite teams around the league have used up their assets already.
I offered for T-Mac in the beginning of the season, I thought it was better than this deal but if would have left the Spurs in the middle of the pack type of team really. Lakers, Blazers, Raptors, Celtics etc have used up a lot to assemble their teams.
After that we have a bunch of teams that it simply don't make sense to make a move for someone like McGrady. It really is just a down market right now filled with overpaid players and teams who can only offer late first round picks and cash really.
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Post by shawncro on Jan 9, 2011 16:23:23 GMT -5
Then wait for the market to be back up again, Tmax is worth the patience.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 9, 2011 16:25:42 GMT -5
Eh I agree since it is McGrady, but I'm just happy he is out of the West now.
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Post by ib4 on Jan 9, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
I offered Zimmerman, Mourning, and Future firsts for TMac. For some reason, I could picture what he'd look like in a Magic uniform...
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 9, 2011 17:54:55 GMT -5
Wish I jumped on that. I think I was ready to give Reef plus.. Can't remember
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 9, 2011 17:58:36 GMT -5
Also, sorry about the draft file not up yet. Still away in Florida, and I may have some time to work on it tonight.. I'll let you guys know
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Post by Brandon on Jan 10, 2011 1:05:52 GMT -5
Shitttt....I wasn't interesting in him this season, but would have definitely moved Aldridge + picks next season. Oh well though, Okafor could become good.
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Post by dukefan on Jan 13, 2011 22:32:02 GMT -5
curious to see what you guys think about the brand/bosh trade that went down.
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 13, 2011 23:24:34 GMT -5
I dunno what to think tbh. Bosh hasn't shown anything yet Brand hasn't shown he can be the man on a playoff team so it's the battle of the "underwhelmings"? I will say tho, on paper the Rockets look REALLY nice now.
All-in-all, you got fair value for Brand and buff didn't necessarily overpay or anything. Textbook good deal.
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Post by runngunallday on Jan 13, 2011 23:26:02 GMT -5
i don't think Bosh will ever be a star, but I'm sure he'll be a pretty good starter. the picks you got aren't going to be special and JR Smith has long ways to go. I don't think you can dleague him either because he was selected in the lotto. I think you could of gotten better iMO.
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Post by dukefan on Jan 14, 2011 2:49:27 GMT -5
ahhh forgot about the dleague lotto rule! that's alright he's still 20 so hopefully he'll get his scoring up
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Post by afro on Jan 17, 2011 20:52:58 GMT -5
Need help.......are Trade Exception $200 per mil or $500 per mil? im a lil confused here to be honest with u. I know their was some discussion about it last season but don't know if the rules were changed...as the banker i see alot of teams paying only $200 per mil and some paying $500 per 1 mil TE
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Post by heelsguy25 on Jan 17, 2011 20:57:04 GMT -5
its 500 per million
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 17, 2011 21:11:40 GMT -5
yep, it's 500
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 21, 2011 19:25:16 GMT -5
Hornets are out East Jeb  |
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Post by Hammer-Time on Jan 21, 2011 19:42:42 GMT -5
Shut it Brian :glare:
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Post by Guest on Jan 21, 2011 19:43:13 GMT -5
But you guys are going to have to play them...twice!
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 21, 2011 21:40:23 GMT -5
And we have to play them...
4 times!
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 21, 2011 22:35:57 GMT -5
Hate to "pick on the new guy", but that Pietrus/Butler deal is pretty bad for Atlanta. Honestly, I'd want Pietrus over Butler head-to-head. Mediocre player with severely inflated numbers due to his bottom of the barrel team with a huge contract for a guy of his talents.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 21, 2011 22:52:15 GMT -5
Get expirings and essentially suck next year, it's a simple plan really. Don't agree with giving away a pick, but I don't have a big problem with it. He is going to get something for Nash and he will be left with Butler and Miller. Someone will trade for Miller and he will be left with Butler who will put up 20 on a crappy team and someone will trade for him.
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 21, 2011 22:55:35 GMT -5
A vicious cycle indeed...
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Post by coleworld on Jan 21, 2011 23:23:33 GMT -5
Nash back in Dallas. O.o
A bunch of more depth comes in as well with Rickey and Fortson.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 21, 2011 23:25:34 GMT -5
It makes your team better for sure, but I don't think this is the time to be going all in.
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 21, 2011 23:30:04 GMT -5
I agree with MP. I think the team you got after this deal is a borderline #8 out West, tops.
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