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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 0:23:51 GMT -5
It's called a collective bargaining agreement Barbosa makes $7 million. They'd either have to move Deng or give up Korver/Brewer in the deal and I can't imagine them moving either guy presently.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 0:26:29 GMT -5
I could see them moving Korver if they could add a scorer like Barbosa. Even something like Barbosa for Korver and James Johnson. Just throwing out some random ideas, Don't know if Bulls fans would give up Johnson to get Barbosa
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 0:32:48 GMT -5
I'm almost certain Korver and Brewer aren't moving anywhere so unless they can get it done with James Johnson (who i've been told is very available) and like CJ Watson and/or Bogans and picks (keep in mind, they own a Bobcats 1st, fucking gold), I don't see it happening. And Barbosa just makes too much to make it work under the cap.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 0:35:40 GMT -5
I could see the Raptors doing it to pick up Miles, Johnson and/or that charlotte first. Im sure they'd take on any filler necessary. For the most part it looks like they are just collecting young assets, and Johnson and that pick fits that bill
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 0:36:37 GMT -5
CJ Watson And, again, it doesn't work under the cap.
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 0:37:15 GMT -5
Also I'd be willing to bet they'd be able to get a bunch more then a backup combo guard like Barbosa for that draft pick.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 0:39:54 GMT -5
haha right my bad, its late! If it was Watson, Johnson and Bogans would be close. Still probably wouldnt be enough.
The Raptors need to make some changes, and I think Barbosa would be available, seems like to perfect of a match
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 0:40:27 GMT -5
Yeah that draft pick is valuable to say the least
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:03:21 GMT -5
Does anyone think that Bargnani looks like a better pick now that Roy is struggling with injuries and Andrea is playing better?
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 1:05:51 GMT -5
Not really. I mean nobody really thought Roy would have these issues. Just glancing briefly at the 06 class, there's still a handful of guys that I woulda picked over Bargs. Aldridge, Gay, Rondo, and believe it or not, Millsap.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:07:58 GMT -5
Its not really fair to include Milsap as he was a steal that some teams passed over twice. Rondo slipped because Kentucky struggled that year. He was always a top talent. The 06 draft was a bit of a crap shoot. I'll give you Rondo, Gay and Aldridge though. However its not as bad as it once looked in my opinion
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 1:11:13 GMT -5
I'm just saying, I'd rather have Millsap then Bargnani. Bargs numbers seem pretty this season but to me, he's a poor man's Tom Chambers, and that's his absolute ceiling.
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 2, 2011 1:18:40 GMT -5
Bargnanis first year as the No. 1, I have to admit as an avid Raptor fan that he's doing great. He's got incredible IQ and really his only weakness is his rebounding positioning, but he gets enough. Ideally, the Raptors should be looking to score a Chandler type, which they did - until MJ pulled his NBA superstar card and wiped it off the table. Move Bargs to PF, get that nice defense/rebounding oriented Center in there to clean the boards and Bargnani should flourish.
As far as Barbosa - I'm assuming the Raptors want that expiring (player option) with Peja's and take the 30 some million in cap room this summer. So I doubt they'd move Barbosa for a young wingman, especially with Sonny Weems and DeRozan playing those spots.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:18:46 GMT -5
I think with the right center, he could be a useful player. But unless he develops some rebounding and some defense, there isn't much more then a Tom Chambers. Which is still a good player, but not a #1 overall draft pick. That being said there has been worse picks
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:20:12 GMT -5
Chandler would have been the perfect center to pair with Andrea. Evans was a nice partner for him as well, but isn't really a long term solution. What is out there this summer for the Raptors in terms of Free Agents they are looking at?
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 1:32:53 GMT -5
Chandler would have been the perfect center to pair with Andrea. Evans was a nice partner for him as well, but isn't really a long term solution. What is out there this summer for the Raptors in terms of Free Agents they are looking at? Chandler is terrible unless he's around a great PG. The type of player you're talking about, among the free agents, Perkins and Dalembart come to mind.
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Post by GhostOfBrian on Jan 2, 2011 1:33:30 GMT -5
Chandler would have been the perfect center to pair with Andrea. Evans was a nice partner for him as well, but isn't really a long term solution. What is out there this summer for the Raptors in terms of Free Agents they are looking at? Chandler is terrible unless he's around a great PG. The type of player you're talking about, among the free agents, Perkins and Dalembart come to mind. Or they can try and sign Oden and have two bad #1 picks
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 2, 2011 1:35:04 GMT -5
I think Andrea's defense is pretty solid. While he has trouble with bigger centers, he does a great job with quick PF's. He's very quick on both ends of the floor. Plus, is a great help defender and that's where he blocks most of his shots. As far as FA goes - it's probably more about flexibility than anything strategic at this point. With the CBA looming, a lot of owners are going to be looking at dumping salary. Not to mention the 13M the Raptors have left in that Trade Exception, with a deadline to use it upcoming this jJune
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:35:33 GMT -5
If Oden could stay healthy, and the deal was reasonable I think he'd compliment Bargs nicely. It's too bad injuries have held him back, he's shown potential at times but not to the extent he was hyped.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:36:52 GMT -5
Chandler would have been the perfect center to pair with Andrea. Evans was a nice partner for him as well, but isn't really a long term solution. What is out there this summer for the Raptors in terms of Free Agents they are looking at? Chandler is terrible unless he's around a great PG. The type of player you're talking about, among the free agents, Perkins and Dalembart come to mind. I see Perkins having a big market, he's a center that a lot of teams like. Dalembert could be an option, but I'd rather look elsewhere.
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 2, 2011 1:41:00 GMT -5
I could live with Perkins... although I was high as a kite when I heard Bynum might come to T.O.
I would have taken that big shithead over 13M invisible dollars.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:42:42 GMT -5
Yeah I would've liked Bynum, but I don't know how he'd do without Gasol, Bryant, Odom, Artest and Jackson.
I wouldn't mind Marc Gasol, but I can't see the Grizz letting him go
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 2, 2011 1:45:36 GMT -5
Grizz will have a choice to make. Gasol or Randolph? Gasol to me is quite overrated, but is a damn good teammate for them. Also the Mayo situation needs to come to an answer, because they drafted Henry and Mayo will be looking to bolt in just one more year probably.
Regarding the Knicks, if we don't get Melo then it's one year stopgaps all the way I believe. Id target Troy Murphy, give him a big one year deal. He fits the D'Antoni system to a T and after this year, should be looking to make one more paycheck.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:48:25 GMT -5
Murphy would be a nice addition for the Knicks. The Knicks could be a real nice team with a couple more additions. If indeed Melo wants to go there, you have to keep the space open so I highly doubt they are a big player unless it is as you mentioned a larger one year deal. Bargs would look good in a D'atoni system, but could never see it happening.
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Post by Akomplice on Jan 2, 2011 1:53:04 GMT -5
Eh Bargs is a solid player, but I couldn't see him having a role on the team. Nor could I stomach an Amar'e and Barg front court. The thing that sucks about the Knicks is that we have been hand cuffed for three years and might be going on four.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 1:54:48 GMT -5
Yeah an Amare / Bargs front court would be terrible at one end, but something special on the other end. The Knicks are on the right path to getting back to where they were. If they do get Paul and Melo, they will be better off then Miami in my opinion.
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Post by ib4 on Jan 2, 2011 5:06:33 GMT -5
If the Blazers shut down Roy for the rest of the year, my chances at winning fantasy are pretty much over
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 12:11:13 GMT -5
My fantasy team isn't looking good at all, Everyone I selected this year keeps getting hurt.
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Post by kmatrixg on Jan 2, 2011 12:51:06 GMT -5
Moose you like the Raptors?? Sweet! I know a lot of people that have been rumbling about Gasol in Memphis, and how good he would look next to Bargnani. However, I too am skeptical - He seems.. I dont want to say lazy, but he has the same problem as Bargs does with not shuting down the boards. He can score, shoot and block shots - Almost like a Brook Lopez type, only not the no. 1 option on offense. I still think our best bet is to bring in an extremely athletic center through draft, trade, Africa, Europe, whatever it need be. I actually wish the Raptors would play Alibi - he averaged 4 blocks in 18 minutes a game in the D League . I think he could have some potential to play.
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Post by m00sey22 on Jan 2, 2011 13:19:41 GMT -5
Yeah Im a big Raps fan, Im from Canada so they're the only team to cheer for. I like Gasol but have the same worries with him and Bargs together. Alabi still has a long ways to go, but he would be an ideal fit. He just needs to become a little more polished
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