Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 12, 2010 20:32:33 GMT -5

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Everyone knows you need to spend money to win games in professional sports. But are you getting the best "bang" for your buck? Is your team earning their money? Do you have a team that is outplaying their current deals? The purpose of this scale is to rate how efficient your team is based on how much money you've shelled out this season. History shows (see Lakers, Yankees) that the more money you spend, the more you're supposed to win, right? Well, check here and the "Player Efficiency" thread to see if your team is playing up to par.

Theory:
Every $1,000,000 a team is over the salary cap should produce 1/2 WINS over .500

Equally, every $1,000,000 a team is under the salary cap should produce 2 LOSSES over .500

FOR TEAMS OVER THE CAP

Formula:

Expected Win Total as per Salary Amount:
(Amount over cap/-2,000,000) + 41 = Total Expected Wins as per Salary Amount

Projected Win Total:
Win% x 82 = Projected Wins

Team Efficiency = Total Expected Wins as per Salary Amount - Projected Wins

Conclusion: The higher the positive number, the lower the team efficiency. The closer to 0 the number, the more expected the efficiency. A negative number says the team is playing better than expected as per team salary.

FOR TEAMS UNDER THE CAP

Expected Loss Total as per Salary Amount:
(Amount under cap/500,000) + 41 = Total Expected Losses as per Salary Amount

Projected Loss Total:
(1.00-Win%) x 82 = Projected Losses

Team Efficiency = Total Expected Losses as per Salary Amount - Projected Losses

Conclusion: The higher the positive number, the higher the team efficiency. The closer to 0 the number, the more expected the efficiency. A negative number says the team is playing worse than expected as per team salary.

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 12, 2010 23:57:51 GMT -5

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Teams Over The Salary Cap:
In Order of (negative) Salary Cap Available*

Conclusion: The higher the positive number, the lower the team efficiency. The closer to 0 the number, the more expected the efficiency. A negative number says the team is playing better than expected as per team salary.

Team Name

Salary Available

Win %

Team Efficiency

[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Sacramento [/td][td] ($30,021,853) [/td][td] 0.474 [/td][td] 17.142 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Dallas [/td][td] ($29,382,959) [/td][td] 0.526 [/td][td] 12.558 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Denver [/td][td] ($28,921,205) [/td][td] 0.429 [/td][td] 20.282 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Minnesota [/td][td] ($28,365,275) [/td][td] 0.800 [/td][td] (10.420) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Atlanta [/td][td] ($27,431,308) [/td][td] 0.737 [/td][td] (5.719) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] New Jersey [/td][td] ($27,029,455) [/td][td] 0.478 [/td][td] 15.318 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Vancouver [/td][td] ($24,767,908) [/td][td] 0.750 [/td][td] (8.117) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Seattle [/td][td] ($24,683,166) [/td][td] 0.667 [/td][td] (1.353) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Milwaukee [/td][td] ($24,452,613) [/td][td] 0.471 [/td][td] 14.604 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Detroit [/td][td] ($22,688,494) [/td][td] 0.600 [/td][td] 3.144 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Indiana [/td][td] ($21,799,219) [/td][td] 0.565 [/td][td] 5.569 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] San Antonio [/td][td] ($18,552,954) [/td][td] 0.440 [/td][td] 14.196 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Orlando [/td][td] ($15,577,774) [/td][td] 0.588 [/td][td] 0.562 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] LA Lakers [/td][td] ($13,166,470) [/td][td] 0.440 [/td][td] 11.503 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Miami [/td][td] ($11,760,344) [/td][td] 0.333 [/td][td] 19.574 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] LA Clippers [/td][td] ($11,166,470) [/td][td] 0.618 [/td][td] (4.093) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Boston [/td][td] ($10,683,124) [/td][td] 0.367 [/td][td] 16.247 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Golden State [/td][td] ($10,374,487) [/td][td] 0.538 [/td][td] 2.071 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Portland [/td][td] ($8,465,850) [/td][td] 0.677 [/td][td] (10.282) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Cleveland [/td][td] ($6,168,106) [/td][td] 0.481 [/td][td] 4.642 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Chicago [/td][td] ($2,797,550) [/td][td] 0.467 [/td][td] 4.104 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Charlotte [/td][td] ($1,350,382) [/td][td] 0.370 [/td][td] 11.335 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] New York [/td][td] ($605,897) [/td][td] 0.400 [/td][td] 8.502 [/td][/tr][/table]

Teams Under The Salary Cap:
In Order of Least Cap Available**

Conclusion: The higher the positive number, the higher the team efficiency. The closer to 0 the number, the more expected the efficiency. A negative number says the team is playing worse than expected as per team salary.

Team Name

Salary Available

Win %

Team Efficiency

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[tr][td] Houston [/td][td] $708,526 [/td][td] 0.296 [/td][td] (15.311) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Washington [/td][td] $3,701,668 [/td][td] 0.381 [/td][td] (2.355) [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Utah [/td][td] $3,997,118 [/td][td] 0.522 [/td][td] 9.798 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Toronto [/td][td] $5,428,540 [/td][td] 0.444 [/td][td] 6.265 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Philadephia [/td][td] $10,507,979 [/td][td] 0.321 [/td][td] 6.337 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Phoenix [/td][td] $13,636,512 [/td][td] 0.296 [/td][td] 10.545 [/td][/tr][/table]

* - This efficiency number represents the amount more in millions the team payroll should be.
Example¹: Minnesota's efficiency rating is -10.420, meaning they're win total should be -10 based on their salary total.
Example²: Denver's efficiency rating is 20.282, meaning they're win total should be +20 based on their salary total.

** - The same rule is applied to the teams under the cap, the formula designed to keep it uniform.
Example¹: Houston's efficiency rating is -15.311 meaning they're win total is -15 of what it should be based on their salary total.
Example²: Phoenix has an efficiency rating of 10.454, meaning they're win total is +10 of what it should be based on their salary total.

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ib4 Co-Commissioner Orlando Magic GM too Posts: 6,634	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ib4 on Dec 13, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -5 interesting...
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kmatrixg General Managers Memphis Grizzlies GM Posts: 2,707	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 0:41:25 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kmatrixg on Dec 13, 2010 0:41:25 GMT -5 Dec 13, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -5 ib4 said: interesting... Does this make sense? If not, I won't even both with the rest
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kmatrixg General Managers Memphis Grizzlies GM Posts: 2,707	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 2:04:53 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kmatrixg on Dec 13, 2010 2:04:53 GMT -5 DONE! Let me know what you think guys, does this make a good way to rank how efficient a team is playing based on how much their paying out to the players?
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ib4 Co-Commissioner Orlando Magic GM too Posts: 6,634	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 9:31:24 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ib4 on Dec 13, 2010 9:31:24 GMT -5 so the rockets being a big negative means they're playing worse than expected. while the suns being a big positive means they're playing better than expected? meanwhile, both have the same exact record
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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 13:21:54 GMT -5

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Dec 13, 2010 9:31:24 GMT -5 ib4 said:

so the rockets being a big negative means they're playing worse than expected.

while the suns being a big positive means they're playing better than expected?

meanwhile, both have the same exact record

yep, the rockets have nearly no cap room, while the suns have used only half of their alotted space to bring in players to win games.

If you read the first post, 1 million dollars over the salary cap should, in theory, produce 1/2 win. while 1 million under the cap should produce 2 losses.

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kmatrixg General Managers Memphis Grizzlies GM Posts: 2,707	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 15:47:33 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kmatrixg on Dec 13, 2010 15:47:33 GMT -5 Ha, for sure. It's not about who's good or who's bad, rather who's playing up to par with how much they are spending on salary.
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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 16:04:24 GMT -5

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I've determined there are some flaws with the formula, some I could figure out given more thought. Perhaps the .5 wins is too low? Maybe 1 million over the cap should produce .75 wins or even 1 win. I'm pretty satisfied with how the "Under the cap" turned out though.. Perhaps I can use this in conjunction with the player efficiency thread (a sample size of the top ten players) and use their salaries in the same form. That way I could have a better grasp on the ratio of salary to efficiency, to better quote a win number PER million in salary.

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 16:12:28 GMT -5

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Dec 13, 2010 16:04:24 GMT -5 kmatrixg said:

I've determined there are some flaws with the formula, some I could figure out given more thought. Perhaps the .5 wins is too low? Maybe 1 million over the cap should produce .75 wins or even 1 win. I'm pretty satisfied with how the "Under the cap" turned out though.. Perhaps I can use this in conjunction with the player efficiency thread (a sample size of the top ten players) and use their salaries in the same form. That way I could have a better grasp on the ratio of salary to efficiency, to better quote a win number PER million in salary.

props to you if you came up with your formula yourself....but there has to be formulas that people (or "experts") have come up with already for pro sports...but no one can ever really figure out the "perfect" formula for anything efficiency-related imo

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kmatrixg General Managers Memphis Grizzlies GM Posts: 2,707	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 13, 2010 17:40:31 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kmatrixg on Dec 13, 2010 17:40:31 GMT -5 Ha yeah. Sitting around thinking of all the wasted money in pro sports got me thinking enough to do it. <Props
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kmatrixg General Managers Memphis Grizzlies GM Posts: 2,707	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 14, 2010 18:11:51 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kmatrixg on Dec 14, 2010 18:11:51 GMT -5 i dont know.. I was just about to grade yours because I forgot though hehe
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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 15, 2010 16:15:31 GMT -5

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Dec 15, 2010 15:43:11 GMT -5 ib4 said:

Dec 14, 2010 18:11:51 GMT -5 kmatrixg said:

i dont know..

I was just about to grade yours because I forgot though hehe

show me yours and I'll show you mine

haha.. I showed you mine yesterrrday, don't act like you don't remember!

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 23, 2010 14:58:35 GMT -5

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You know really what I thought about this is that I could really care less what I spend. As long as I have enough to keep the players I want and go after an occasional player dollars do not matter to me. I have never liked money or math anyway.

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 23, 2010 15:02:51 GMT -5

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Dec 23, 2010 15:00:53 GMT -5 yesisme1 said:

Just to add. Just a quick look over and some of the least efficient teams are also the teams winning because they are spending the money.

I read it wrong and hmm just the opposite....interesting article anyway.

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Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 23, 2010 16:27:08 GMT -5

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Updated the explanations - the efficiency number now represents the amount of wins the team should have based on their salary total. (10.420) means the Timberwolves should have 10 less wins based on how much they're paying their players. That number will go up considerably now with Kirlenko getting paid all that money.

This explanation should make more sense.

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yesisme1 Starter former Clippers Posts: 534	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 23, 2010 21:12:08 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by yesisme1 on Dec 23, 2010 21:12:08 GMT -5 Yes that makes a lot more sense. it means the Clippers should be a 47 win team instead of a 51 win team
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m00sey22 General Managers New York Knicks GM Posts: 1,452	Team Efficiency vs. Total Salary Dec 23, 2010 21:20:34 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by m00sey22 on Dec 23, 2010 21:20:34 GMT -5 Yikes, 8 less wins then I already have, now that would be an ugly team
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